Important news as to what is happening to ALL Yahoo Groups.
Yahoo Groups have started the process of winding down their operations and deleting their archives. As of October 28 it is now no longer possible to upload any more content to the group site and ALL previously posted content on the site will be permanently removed on December 14. We have until that date to save anything that has been uploaded.
- Email Updates
- Message Digest
- Message History
Although it will apparently still be possible to send out messages to other members after December 14, there will no longer be any online archives at all. It will be no more than an email redirection service. This will seriously reduce the usability of the groups as it will no longer be possible to read the previous messages online.
So what does this mean for Yahoo Group Owners?
On December 14, we will lose the entire archives of our groups and YahooGroups will effectively be unusable. We can close down our groups or move to a different platform before then.
It is no longer possible to post new messages online, all posting has to be done via email - a major backstep in my opinion making the platform even more uninviting.
I have been investigating the options that we group owners can use and wanted to share the advice with other Group Owners.
The most popular option appears to be to move to groups.io. It is very similar to Yahoo Groups with a few extra functions. They are also offering a migration service from YahooGroups to make it easy for us to migrate there. Unfortunately, they have stopped accepting transfer requests for copying your archives over. If you have not requested a transfer by now - it is too late.
EXCEPT! For groups we archive, we can also offer a transfer service to groups.io and will accept requests right up to the time the servers go offline. It will cost $100 plus $2 for eah 1000 messages to upload. Uploading can occur after YahooGroups go offline, as long as we can download the groups in time. If you have applied to Yahoo Groups to download your data in MBOX format, we can use that as an archive as well. Click here for more details and to apply for a transfer.
WARNING: If your group discusses the dangers of vaccinations, that is a forbidden topic on group.io. You can instead join the Rife Forum where we do not censor such discussions at all.
These two videos give some great advice about migrating to groups.io from Yahoo Groups:
Should I let Archive.Org archive my community?
Archive.org is also trying to publicly archive the messages of as many groups as possible. If you want your group to be archived, you can register your group here:
How about Facebook, Twitter, etc?
While it may be tempting to move to Facebook, Twitter, etc. with your group, they have been deleting thousands of alternative health groups on their platform and their censorship is only getting worse. It is way too dangerous to run an alternative health group on that platform. If your group is about some camera or other non-critical item, then Facebook is still a viable platform.
Is MeWe an alternative?
MeWe is an increasingly popular platform for people looking for an alternative to Facebook without the censorship. It is certainly worth considering setting up a page there if only to tell people where your website and discussion group is. We have setup a "Rife" group here. The discussion tools are simple and limited and there are no tools for migrating your archives there.
Archiving Your Yahoo Group for Offline Use
Another option is to archive your messages yourself (or let us do it for you) and make them available as an offline solution. Then start again on groups.io or somewhere else with an empty list and manually invite your members to join up again. This is a cheaper option, but you are starting with a clean slate without your archives and you have to manually invite your members to join up or pay $20 for one month of premium membership so that you can directly add your members.
Manually Creating a PDF Offline Archive
The first method requires you to have stored all the incoming emails from your group in Microsoft Outlook and to also have the full version of Adobe Acrobat. You also need a PC with a lot of RAM (I have 32GB). What you do is go into Outlook into the folder where you have stored all the messages from your group. Then select a group of messages - I selected a whole year at a time. Then select the "Acrobat" tab and click on "Selected Messages" / Creatw New PDF. Give the file a suitable name like Rife_2018_01-12.pdf and let it create the PDF file. If there are a lot of messages, this can take 20-30 minutes but it is worth it. You end up with a nice PDF file where each message can be selected individually. I have already done this for all the messages on my Rife group and you can see the files here (click on the Messages button):
Experiment with how many messages you can do. I can get it to do about 4000 messages in one PDF, any more and the process crashes.
PDF files are universally readable and are a great way of providing archives of your group posts. The disadvantages of this method is that each file only contains the messages from a specific period (e.g. a year) and do not contain your attachments, files, photos and links.
Using PC Software to Create a Full Offline Archive
The second method is more advanced and comprehensive and works with a Windows PC. We use a special Windows software program which is designed specifically for downloading Yahoo Groups for offline reading. With a full licence ($24.95), it is possible to easily download all your messages, attachments, files, photos and links to your PC.
You need the full version to download large groups, but as YahooGroups goes offline on December 14, there will be nothing left to download. The free trial version is all you need to view and search the archived messages. That means that the users can simply download the group files from this website (when they are released) and import them into the free trial version of the software.
The software has become effectively free. It has a 14-day trial after which you can no longer download from YG! but you can still read and search the downloaded archive. As downloading will soon no longer be possible, this is then no problem.
We have already archived all the messages, attachments, files, photos and links from all the health-related Yahoo Groups listed on this website. These archives are available for download now and include the Windows software, intructions, archive files and any Attachments, Files, Photos and Links we were able to download as well. We will update these archives with the final messages and make them available on December 15, after Yahoo has deleted their records.
If there are any additional Yahoo-Groups I missed that need archiving for offline use, please send me the URLs of those groups now, so that I can join them and download everything before it gets deleted. In some cases, we may need moderator status to be able to download all your files, etc. There is no charge to group owners for downloading their archives and hosting them on groups.rifeforum.com. This is however on the condition that I have permission to make a service charge to people that download the archives from this website. These funds are used to ensure these archives are preserved and remain available into the future.
Moving your Active Community to a New Home
So now we have discussed the offline archiving of those groups, how about preserving the groups in future as an active discussion group at a new location?
As there is little point in keeping the discussions on Yahoo Groups after December 14, let us look at other options:
- Hosting on www.rifeforum.com for $50 with offline archives: I already run a well established health related online forum using vBulletin that runs entirely on our own web-server: The Rife Forum at www.rifeforum.com. I can create as many subsections as I like and would like to offer you all the opportunity to have your own special area on the forum that you would be given full control of. I request a one-time payment of $50 for your own specialised section if you can afford it. For example, the owner of the ozonetherapy YahooGroup has moved their group to the Rife Forum and their existing archives are available for download here on groups.rifeforum.com. A dedicated Ozone Therapy section has been created on the Rife Forum under the category of their choice, in this case "Other Health Topics." The forum is setup to be able to send all new posts in that section to the existing Yahoo Group. Yahoo is continuing the existing groups as email only groups so the existing members can remain there and still read the new posts. They only have to join the Rife Forum in order to make new posts or reply to others. Those that just want to lurk and read new messages can remain on the same Yahoo Group they are already a member of. They will, however, have to change their settings to "Individual Emails" or "Daily Digest" as there will be no online archives anymore on YahooGroups. For more flexibility, such groups can also be moved to groups.io (unless they discuss vacinations) and it is possible to move the members automatically to the new group for just a one-time fee of $20 (more details below).The members of that group will simply need to register to join the forum (free) if they want to post or reply, and that also means they not only have access to their own section for future discussions, they can also gain access to the vast amount of knowledge and posts already on the Rife Forum. They are being welcomed into a larger well established platform that cannot be taken away by any big-tech censorship. My interests are to help preserve all the valuable discussions and grow the Rife Forum more. I, of course hope that some members will order a premium membership (optional for each member, not required) that is used to pay the running costs of the system. This is the simplest and best option and a win-win situation for all of our groups. The Rife Forum is well established and already has about 12800 members and 46000 posts well sorted in numerous categories. If you have not joined it yet, you are very welcome to join now - it's free and available now!
- Hosting on groups.io for $220 with full transfer of your archives: If you would prefer to keep your group separate and running in a similar way to as they were on Yahoo Groups, it is possible to transfer your existing group as is to groups.io - This is a paid service and they require an upfront payment of $220/year in order for them to transfer everything for you and keep your group open for new posts going forward. They will transfer your existing messages, files and members for you, you just need to follow their instructions. This is a very workable solution and would allow you to continue your groups. So apart from the costs, this is a good system for continuing your groups.
After the first year. it is possible to reduce the contract back to the basic (free) level, but you need to keep in mind that this will also reduce the functionality of your group as well. The differences are mainly the reduced storage space (10 GB down to 1 GB) for attachments, files, photos, etc. as well as a reduced number of integrations (a useful feature). If you have a reasonably small group, you should be able to downgrade to the basic level without any problems. However, if your members send a lot of attachments (and 1 GB is not that much) or upload a lot of files and pictures, you would lose the oldest ones beyond 1 GB when you downgrade.You will need to apply to have your group transferred by December 1, 2019 in order to give them time to complete before the data is deleted.Important: If your group discusses the dangers of vacinations, you will NOT be permitted to run a group on groups.io. Such topics are permitted on The Rife Forum.
- Hosting on groups.io for $20 without your existing messages archives (your members can download them from this website), but with full transfer of your members, files, photos and links: You could also choose to simply have your existing posts archived on the groups.rifeforum.com website and then simply make a fresh start with an empty group on groups.io using the free option with more limited features. Although the free option does not let you automatically subscribe your existing members, you can send them invites that allows them to join by simply confirming the invite. They also offer a premium plan for one month ($20) that allows you to directly add your existing members. That sounds like a good user-friendly compromise for those on a tight budget and will ensure that your users have less hassle with the move. We have done that with our Rifeforum Yahoo Group as the existing archives were not important (available on The Rife Forum itself). You can upload the File and Photo archives yourself, it is only the message archives that are missing.
- Hosting archives on groups.rifeforum.com and starting anew on another platform: (MeWe, Facebook, Minds, etc.). We will download, prepare and host the archives for you free, on the condition that we are permitted to make a small charge to those downloading the archives, typically $4. 99 per download up to 25k messages.
I am not Technically Minded and need help
If you need help moving your group here or to groups.io in any of the above configurations, I can do all the work for you and set it all up. Click here to learn more about this service.
Helping People to Find our new Groups
One of the biggest dangers of splitting up all the thousands of Yahoo Groups is that members will no longer know where to find their groups. Many users set their membership to "No Email" and have no idea that their Yahoo Groups have moved elsewhere. I have therefore setup the list of related Yahoo Groups on this website along with their status and where they have moved to. Please inform your members about this website and also keep me informed of any changes needed to update this list on the home page. I will also be updating the links on www.rifeshop.com and I welcome any comments, corrections and suggestions for that website as well.
Group Owners have a history of working together and helping each other out. This is something we need now more than ever at a time of big-tech censorship closing down accounts of major natural health websites like naturalnews.com and greenmedinfo.com to name only two. The deletion of the archives of 10 million Yahoo Groups is a major attack on the accululation of independant knowledge. By working together, we can help to preserve our own networks and find other groups and be found by others.
- All Yahoogroups no longer accept uploads and all messages and files will be deleted on December 14.
- We will ensure our offline backups of those YahooGroups are kept up to date until December 14 and upload the final version on December 15
- Please also pass this message on to any other group owners you know that are probably also worried as to how to save their groups.
- Keep an eye on this website for more news and I will assume it is OK to release the offline backups of your groups here unless you tell me not to.
- For more details on the deletion of Yahoo Groups, see this official page: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN31010.html
- The Rife Forum has archived a number of related groups for offline use, so that all that knowledge will not be lost.
- All Yahoogroups will have their messages, files, photos and links deleted on December 14, unless we actively move our respective groups to a new platform. The only viable platforms I found are the Rife Forum and https://groups.io
- If you are not a member of The Rife Forum, join now as the Rife community will continue at www.rifeforum.com
- The Rifeforum Yahoogroup has always been an email only group without visible archives. That has already been moved to https://groups.io/g/rifeforum
Finally, I would like to thank all the group owners for their tireless work running their communities. It is people like us that have helped many thousands of people to be better informed in often lifesaving and life-changing ways
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RISCÍ GIOVANNI GATTI
please can you archive also the group [VISTAPERFETTA], which is an Italian group I own?